I am NOT usually like this. All that positive Saturn synastry for durablilty, moon conjunction, and all those personal planet oppositions make us feel like the same person sometimes. yeah, i think we didn’t invest much efforts in getting/staying together…however, when I tried to pursue more, I felt as if I was more needy and I cared more about this relationship, as his respose to my efforts was quite blank and gruff. The world of status and career success is your comfort zone and so you are primed to conquer it. This house is where you come together at the deepest level and feel that you understand each other. I turned to astrology and within months I learnt a lot of things about this topic. But I do have one question? Is this why I am feeling this more? I’m sorry to hear your story. It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. 12th house Moon also seems to indicate a desire to support others or make events happen from behind the scenes (especially if the Moon is far from the Ascendant). Well it is a living hell right now! The idea of the relationship gives emotional comfort, peace, and satisfaction. venus+mars, etc. Its a damn shame, but I cant make him more a more spiritual person, just because our powerful connection together is deep and spiritual. I’m always attracted to those types of “relationships” In fact, it seems we are even more a part of each other’s lives than ever. You need to work on bringing body and mind together, as a couple. What gives a better idea of the relationship potential, synastry or composite? My takeaway is that the two people involved would think the relationship was hidden (and something for just them) but it’s not really because of the nature of the Asc Conjunctions. In a negative way, the struggles within the partnership will cause the Pluto person to see where his or her behaviour needs adjusting. There is, without a doubt, an element of longing in the 12th. Any advice would be helpful. 1st House : Planets in 1st are directly felt by the couple, it shows how the couple is with one another and how other people see them. this is honestly so beautiful to read. Our ascendant is also pisces but our Uranus-Venus opposite position makes lots of deals in our relationship besides the 12th and 6th house. Don’t worry, Evelyne. This is what I found. The Moon squares Mercury and Venus in the 9th, Pluto and Saturn in the 3rd, and squares the MC. House position isn’t as strong as the sign of the Moon. This man can be my everything and this feeling will not change.” We had an instant connection, and I ended up in his apartment the first night we met. Dear Dawn, Composite Moon in the 1st House. The twelfth house is about vocation, our divine calling, and is a very different energy from the status-oriented tenth. It’s hard for me to stop dreaming about this person. Well, his descendant point, and his ascendant ruler both conjunct my natal Lilith in my12 th house, orb2°. I also have two stelliums in the 11th and 12th of my natal chart….a total of 8 planets (6 in Leo). However, with so much 12th house a individuals, and then as a couple, can there be something more than “We are fated, but we are meant to part. Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. The Davison chart is a time/space chart and is anchored in the here and now. My eldest friend and me: Moon in Pisces in 12th house (Moon rules 5th house) her husband and her: Moon in Pisces in 12th house (Moon rulers IC) another friend and me: The fellow and I have composite sun/Mercury conjunct in the 12th, making an out of sign conjunction to the ascendant. Good luck. We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. Our situation was kind of complicated. These are activities centered around expressing yourself, and with the composite moon, it means you feel comfortable letting loose, being yourself, and seeking fun. Could I ask Your opinion? The relationship is a very private one, we share many trips together, and special 12th house retreat time together. The Composite Moon in the Houses of the Composite Chart. It might hold your answers, if you know how to read it properly. Then we hurt each other. There are two conjunctions with ascendent as well. There is a “certain someone” whose natal Sun is in the 12 th, his sun also receiving a natal square from his Neptune. We fall, and find the world. There is likely to be mutual respect for each other's dreams and wishes. I fell onto another man after that whom I had a very deep dark sexual connection to and whom I shared a heavy 8th composite chart with. Venus/Uranus is difficult in the composite, but it doesn’t explain your obsession. Lovely article. When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. I am a Sag with moon (12th house) and rising both in scorpio. Because the moon represents the deepest part of a person, and even their unconscious motivations and feelings, this where you really feel that you know each other well. I cannot think, sleep since i met him. along with Juno. Issues surrounding the power and control each person has over the other are also highlighted as an issue and felt emotionally. My wife and I have composite moon in the 12 house (aquarius). Our physical connection was addicting. We have a 4th house sun in Pisces. Composite Saturn is in the 1st. Neptune causes us to turn our ‘other’ into gods. I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. Mars also squares Mercury, Venus, Pluto and Saturn. We were happy plutonicay together. The part about unrequited love was particularly interesting and that other part might not know what we exist. Also, I would think that the answer to your issues is not in the composite, but in your natal comparison. And what does it mean our 12th. I’m also sorry to say that trines aren’t all they’re cracked up to be–sometimes they just pour energy into whatever else they’re aspecting, in this case, the major square. What it is like for a couple to have their composite Sun in the 12th house of hidden things and spirituality in a composite chart It's easy because you are secure when you achieve together and you actually find it comforting. I totally agree with what you are saying. Planets in 12th House have traditionally been given a bad rep because of the seemingly difficult energies associated with the House of dreams, illusions, spirituality, karma and self-undoing in general. When properly focused, together, you can make quite a force. I have gone through a long, long cycle of heartaches and have been able to slowly, heart-wrenchingly get over each and every one, except this guy. With a composite moon in the sixth house, your day-to-day life is where you find comfort, peace, and emotional satisfaction. Jupiter in the 12th House Meaning, Natal Birth Chart, Jupiter Astrology Free Interpretations. The 12th house is the house of the hidden, and hides the energy of whatever is in it. We challenge each other to be the best versions of ourselves. How does a Composite Sun or Ruler of the chart operate when their planets are in the 12th house but also also conjunct the Ascendant? Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! In the composite only our venus and moon are conjunct in the 12th. Hello, Skye. Likewise, your image as a couple, from an emotional point of view, is also a prominent factor in the relationship. Should I pay attention to that or to our individual charts? IF THIS IS NOT A TRAGIC LOVE STORY THAN WHAT IS? Written in 12thouse Neptunian mystique and eloquence Through counseling she has discovered that her pattern of deception and maintaining an emotional distance from me stems from childhood. so beautiful and so healing especially the last paragraph. I am not certain this person is a fit but yet there are alot of coincidences between us that keeps me boggled on the larger picture. His Neptune conjuncts my SN orb 0°03 Thank you for this series of articles! The moon is the essence of emotion, so even though the relationship always maintains a tone of detachment and a universal perspective, the moon can't help but feel. Meaning of the houses. I noticed you don’t offer composite readings…. me and this guy who don’t know each other properly have same ascendants and house cusps natally. (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) But my heart and mind keep telling me to fight again. Your comfort zone is found in genuine, self-expression. In our composite chart, Mars in 12th house Cancer square MC conjunct Mercury(10th) and the Sun, Venus(9th) & Mars square IC conjunct Saturn and Pluto(3rd). i don’t know, looking at this chart, it has completely different emphasis, from my regular composite. Your article is amazing! thank you for post! This is a relaxed relationship that finds peace in being creative and having fun. It's unconscious. This ‘last chance’ element, sadly, often leads us to relationships that are destined to exist only to fix this thing–when the lesson is learned, both these people move on. This secrecy he is practising probably points to the venus-mars in composite twelfth ? They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward.” Very exquisitely put. I need all the help to understand I can get. And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. The most watery and unformed of the houses, the twelfth house creates an atmosphere of confusion, misunderstandings, and deception. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. Thanks! Was our purpose to heal each other? With the moon in its own house, the people in this relationship can get lost in the undefined, emotion of the placement, making many of the feelings unconscious. the sun and jupiter are conjunct the IC at 23-26 degrees libra and then merc/pluto/venus conjunct at 9 degrees scorpio. A recent class in assassins revealed that the victims often had many planets in the shooter’s 12th house. These two have a tight Sun/Moon conjunction in the Ninth House, with the chart rulers Pluto and Mars also in the Ninth, conjunct this conjunction. My life seems to cycle in and out of being able to bring that 12 house/Neptune energy into the everyday world. Sadly, our Moon is square to Uranus – and I suspect this might be one influence behind her decision to break off all contact with me. But also to wound each other? Obviously, I thought this man was my soulmate. It doesnt matter. As a 12th house person, I finally realized I enjoy the confusion. This is a complicated question and needs a subtle analysis in the chart, but on the whole, planets in the first house side of the angle center around the development of a healthy sense of Self, of ego, whereas planets on the 12th house side of the angle will be dealing with karma surrounding ego choices, and the planets will take on a more archetypal energy and effect. Is there something to be read from this cluster of planets in 12th house? With Lilith so deeply involved, this relationship has a direct bearing on your feelings about your sexual power. Is it possible that 2 people with so much 12th/water house activity; both within synastry and composite, there is any hope for them to just be normal and happy together without karma or something else getting in the way? clearly the 1st has the most planets, but you said the sun was the essence of the chart,its in scorpio in the 12 house. Beautiful article!! We are very romantic together and trust each other. Can you say anything on the north node transiting the twelfth house on a composite? I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. I have a nice syntrastry with my boyfriend (i’m born 8/1/1983 and he is born 10/7/1982). The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before it–it’s our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). The understanding you have about how each of you deal with the world is deep. Let’s put it this way–the Davison chart is a time/space chart; it’s reality is anchored in the actual midpoint between the times of birth and places of birth. I am a pisces sun, mercury, mars. A lot of native speakers make this same mistake, and worse. I feel there is no Karmic tie to this person, my intuition leans more towards twin flame type status. After I read and then I re-read this was the conclusion – that I am more confused than before but more peaceful and more tolerant with my fate. Thank you for your reply Dawn . I can’t stop the regretful feelings. Ultimately, both the 12th house and Neptune want us to get our egos out of the way. the davison chart also has our moon, venus, saturn and uranus in the 1st. Well, it got such a bad rap, that house, but I was surprised to find it quite often,s o I thought I`d look at more couples with 12th house composite placements. should i run away from this relationship? How you nurture each other and express emotions with one another is a major element of your relationship. You always try to look at the relationship from the outside, and leave personal judgement and emotion out of it, but the moon being the player here, it isn't always easy. He also has 12th house stellium in his own natal chart in Scorpio. This represents the part of us that we keep secret from even ourselves. Yet, there is always a fog clouding the relationship. And would that mean -let’s say- if this person’s partner’s personal planets conjuncts to his north node would he lose the partner or would he lose “god” because he put that person (her planets) between himself and “god”! There are no connections with saturn to make it harsh. Communicating your feelings to each other is how you feel secure in the relationship. What is it that makes it work? Mars and Pluto certainly do about Scorpio. I knew someone with Uranus in the 12th house, I always felt like trapped inside this very conservative man was a rebel just dying to be released. However, if the value of the relationship begins to fade or become tainted, each person feels the emotional discomfort and pain deeply. It is SO powerful! Though many of the things you have said have been true, and there are challenges, I know we are committed to knowing each other and spending this precious time together. When Pluto is conjunct the North Node, our mistakes can be more dramatic and our adjustments have to be greater. But there will be some crisis where they have to define their love and anchor it some useful purpose. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. Now I just have to sit and wait around where it is got to leave us! Composite Moon in the 12th House With the Composite Moon in the 12th house, you can have a hard time expressing your emotions with one another. WhiteLotus. sounds pathetic, but thats just the nature of 12th house love; you cant downsize or decrease its feeling and meaning.. What a way to describe it ~ nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives or my life as far as i know, this was exactly how I confused myself in this short and intense relationship with an ex. This house holds both our soul mate and our enemy. Any insight you can offer would be greatly appreciated. I feel so helpless! :In a composite chart: What does it mean when both people have juno in the 12 House? (One expression does not contra-indicate the other.). Learn how your comment data is processed. She has great remorse about it and is seeking help to try and put an end to it. We work together, this relationship is definitely a karmic one, but now, after 1 one year of being together, there are some difficulties. We are each in our mid 60’s…he never married, and I (a widow) married 25 years…to a Pisces. how this would manifest? There are lots of couples with heavy 12th house influence who are out in the open. It isn’t that they’re unhappy–no, they seem to go more the extreme of bliss altering with despair. Gilly. No one could share that kind of information with a person that he/she newly know. This makes so much sense. Anything different there? With this position, your emotions as a couple are in the public arena. It’s not special, it’s common. My sun in the 3rd is squeezed in a T-square between Saturn in Pisces, in the 6th and Pluto/Uranus in Virgo, in the 12th. For him, its TOO many of his own issues. The crusading and visionary spirit gave way to tragedy when the violence inherent in this composite was unleashed, and JFK was assassinated for reasons that remain mysterious to this day (Scorpio, Pluto). Haunting … scares me a bit. You must make sure you still give time to the personal tenderness part of the relationship because your eyes are more likely to be focused on moving up the career, or social status ladder, which also shifts your focus to other people with whom you are competing for worldly success and status. Illusions…… yes I know. Could I ask Your opinion? I think the fact that we’re both artists gave this aspect an outlet. Progressed Moon in the 12th House. I have always been very attached to her and have had strong needs for physical intimacy which she has resisted. I still feel a strong connection to him, but in a way, I guess I have come to reasonable terms with not being with him. You explain the ineffable. It is a strong position for the moon in a composite chart, and indicates an important relationship. I feel so relieved after reading it because I really thought i was crazy. His sun, mercury and chiron is in the 12 house in his natal chart. Together you feel at ease and comfortable in any social setting. However, this puts a great deal of weight on the relationship, and makes its success or failure a centerpiece. It has felt fated, mesmerizing, seductive, magnetic – and karmic. Emotional comfort and satisfaction is found for you both by sharing this journey. Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. I am reasonably happy in my 3+ year marriage, and yet, I still miss my former boyfriend desperately sometimes. But on the whole the midpoint chart is a chart about the essence and purpose of a relationship and the Davison chart is more about the external realities of a relationship. It’s impossible to do one without composites or progressed composites. Like the tenth house, the eleventh house deals with the outside world, the world "out there". They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward. I loved you from the first moment and that has never changed.”) In the 10 years, he (who had been separated from his wife when we first met) went back to his wife, I got engaged to someone else but broke it off realizing I do not love my fiance, reconnected as “just friends”, and I eventually married someone else, with his blessings. Hi! We also have 3 composite planets and an asteroid in house 8. The point is not that the telepathy is an illusion, the point is that it’s real, but it doesn’t matter. venus all in the 12th house. Will we stay together after we have learned our lesson together? We also have composite Juno in Aquarius in the 4th house (opposing Mercury in the 10th and trining the Ascendant), and Venus tightly conjunct Saturn in the 11th (Leo). A share a composite chart with a stellium of planets (Sun, Mercury, Uranus, and Neptune) in the 12th house with cusp on Scorpio. I read your article and its really touching! Please advise if we can make it to marriage or our relationship is doomed. It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. I’m glad you’re enjoying it. Moon and Mars both Trine Uranus. What of mother-daughter pairs? Sometimes the twelfth house energies become lost, and we create false gods from what we cannot find within us (for example, those with Leo on the 12th house cusp may worship creative expression, but not be able to find it in themselves). By the way, in progressions, you very clearly see the influence of both planets at work. I really love this article its very beautifully written and bittersweet, but anyone with a natal 12th house venus and venus in pisces has walked these roads. Noticed he has moved on and I want to let go and move on too, hoping that the story will not repeat itself again. Having children is emotionally satisfying for both of you. Do you think that is true? In the best scenario, this makes both people respect the relationship and enjoy the security and emotional comfort it provides. As Jeff Buckley puts it, he’s “a tear that hangs inside my soul forever”. He is my best friend but marriage to him has been so disappointing because there’s not much difference between now and when I was single. You can imagine the past 10 years have not been easy. It's best to focus on achieving in the public arena and doing your best to keep your personal issues personal. Hi Whitelotus–I use both the Midpoint and the Davison charts in synastry. I was immediately flooded with emotion- I realized all at once how intensely close to him I was and needed to know if he was ok, etc. I think because the water energies in terms of signs and houses are so strong in both our natal charts, the resulting 12th house Sun in composite opp. I might even say he’s one of the closest people to me. The working dynamic of the partnership is in the biwheel (how do you make me feel?) One or two aspects, especially in composite, do not carry the story. I think this is SO true …. I could love this man more than my husband who is a caring man and in a way very similar to this man. We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. Sorry, I can’t respond to lists of aspects. It has been a very long journey! The story of your inability to connect probably has more to do with your individual chart comparisons than the composite chart. Saturn and Pluto and Ascedant. *Composite Chiron conjunct Moon in Taurus in 12th house. (We’re married 16 years, and now we are old!) One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. In other words, that planetary energy might have to do with dealing with their collective, rather than personal, expression. Hi anna–My feeling is that the word ‘god’ is loaded, psychologically speaking. I had to spend years unlearning what love is to me and settle with how individuals differ in what we value in a relationship. so if the Composite Moon is … When this is achieved, the twelfth-house composite moon does find emotional security here and it becomes a comfort zone for the couple. New Classes and Courses Beginning In September! Sun conj. Often, Sun/Neptune relationships just fade away or dissolve without anyone knowing why. However, what happens when we join together as a couple/entity is reflected in the composite chart. We all find our gods where we can and must. This is okay, as long as we learn from those mistakes and adjust our steps. We have a Sun, Venus, Ceres, Node, Lilith and Fortune in 12th house. Mine is conjunct with his moon. In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesn’t show the very intense physical love what we live together. The interesting thing is that we have a very unconventional relationship, mainly as friends and close allies in a spiritual cause (with the mission of saving the world, essentially), but with a new dimension of intense emotional and physical intimacy. By simply being in the relationship, you both find emotional satisfaction. I found so many answers and maybe some dissapointments as well :/. My natal venus is in the 12 th house. I use both in my practice. Also my moon is conjuct to his sun both ways. If your values differ greatly, this position can be troublesome because you have a deep emotional reaction to the differences, which can cause emotional divides in your relationship. but the rising is scorpio. Hi!! From what you said, it seems like perhaps these give the relationship an element of commitment, partnership, and longevity that it wouldn’t otherwise have – albiet in an unusual, community-oriented way. We met one day and it was ON, mutual, and understood without saying word. I would like to help you, but you would need a full analysis of the charts to know what is going on with this 12th house energy. It’s what happens when a sensitive person loves another human being. But in its simplest form, it is about living well. Everyone longs for melding and merging in relationship, but the truth is that separateness makes us interesting to one another. Two sides of the same coin. I’m a Pisces sun 7house. But yes, the karmic and telepathic feelings are all there. In contrast, couples who come together to create something for the collective often have the appropriate planets in the composite 12th, there for all to see. And now we come to the house that causes more furrowed brows than any other. If we do things out of fear or for security, and we don’t listen to the call to step onto our proper path in life, we are serving the ego instead of the soul. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. WhiteLotus. My english is not very good. Guess our trines from Sun/Moon to Jupiter aren’t enough to off set. Unable to forget it? In synastry, his Pluto is in my 12th conjunct my ascendent tightly, and I have nothing in his 12th. Now, you can either say it’s karma, or you can say that person A is psychologically hooking onto the archetype formed with person B’s chart, but whatever it is, it can be a very powerful pull. In the Davison, we have Saturn, Moon, Pluto, and Venus Conjunct in the 12th house. Most of it is illusions I know.. The attraction was instant. We talk with each other and I know he loved me and still does like me , we talk in the church when we can but none of us really telling the real story (which is so 12 house thing). Sometimes we will be asked to make leaps of faith. However, generally this position bodes well for relationships because this is a material world and feeling secure in it goes a long way to bringing peace and happiness. However, when I examine our composite chart, I was shocked. There is still a sense that anything can happen though, very unpredictable energy. and he JUST asked me to lunch yesterday. One day , you said that people “telegraph” their natal theme at every instant of their lives. any input would be greatly appreciated!!! In the worst, it causes emotional drama over who cares about the relationship more, or who is treating whom fairly.
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